Cult or Sect?
- Are we dealing with a cult? – Thirteen signs of a cult-like organization.
- Charting the Cult-Like Nature of the Way – If we are ever to convince influential and possibly compromised churchmen that the Neocatechumenal Way is a cult or sect, we must be very precise and use prevailing, well-respected models of mind control to help us.
- Discussing the Cultish Aspects of the Way on the Radio – August 7, 2014 on Travis Coffman’s Big Show on K57, Guam.
- Unsalted, Unenlightened. We’re Judas! – The third circle, those who criticize the Way. The development of the NCW’s persecution complex.
- The “Prophet” Kiko Arguello – Catechists of the Neocatechumenal Way are teaching members that Kiko Arguello is a prophet.
- “the Prophet of our time” meme – Why are we starting to hear members of “the Way” call Kiko a prophet?
- “The Way Shows Signs of a Cult or Sect”, Op Ed piece published in the Pacific Daily News, August 4, 2014
- Guam’s Pacific News Center, 8/4/2014 – VIDEO -A brief discussion on the cult-like tendencies of the Neocatechumenal Way
- Is your Family your idol? – At the Neocatechumenal First Scrutiny, you will certainly be pressured to consider this possibility.
- A Turn of the Screw – listen to the lead Neocatechumenal catechist for Micronesia chide his senior leaders about their participation in a recent convivence.
- Kiko Forbids the “Horrors of the Computer” – What is the real reason? And will members comply?
The Initial Phase of Catechesis
- 1st Day] Jesus’s Clay vs. Kiko’s Mud – Kiko twists a famous bible story in order to provide a principle of his catechumenate.
- [3rd day] “Excuse me, may I ask a question?” – Details about Kiko’s troubling teaching about “natural religiosity” taken directly from the first volume of the Catechetical Directory
- [3rd day] Kiko’s History of the Catholic Church – Something, or quite a lot of things are missing in his version…
- [3rd day, 4th day, 10th day, and Final Convivence] Kiko’s Last Judgment – a critical look at Kiko’s teachings and iconography on the General (Last) Judgment
- [4th day] Unsalted, Unenlightened. We’re Judas! – The third circle, those who criticize the Way. The development of the NCW’s persecution complex.
- [4th day] Judas is saved! – A critical look at Kiko’s Doctrine of the Necessary Judas, and another esoteric teaching.
- [5th day] The Fifth Night – Kiko’s catechists have a cynical view of your experience of God that you’ll share with them during this session.
- [7th day] Judge Not? – Three problems with teaching about judging others.
- [12th day] Kiko’s Abraham: A Father and a Failure. The Neocatechumenal Way begins it attempt to convince you that you are a failure and that your family is your idol.
- [14th day] Critiquing Kiko’s Kerygma – Why does Kiko’s kerygma seem to deliberately exclude the possibility of purgatory?
- [Final Convivence and 3rd day] Kiko’s Passover Problem, Part I – If Kiko is wrong about the celebration of the Passover in first century Palestine, how could he be right about the worship of the first century Christians?
- [Final Convivence] Kiko’s Passover Problem, Part II – Wherein Kiko’s teaching is found to contradict that of four Doctors of the Church.
- [Final Convivence] Taking a red pen to heresy – An example of a grave error that was removed from the original Catechetical Directory prior to its “approval”.
- Kiko’s Tabernacles – Do these tabernacles indicate Kiko’s true beliefs regarding the Eucharist?
- Kiko’s Passover Problem, Part I – If Kiko is wrong about the celebration of the Passover in first century Palestine, how could he be right about the worship of the first century Christians?
- Kiko’s Passover Problem, Part II – Wherein Kiko’s teaching is found to contradict that of four Doctors of the Church.
- Taking a red pen to heresy – An example of a grave error about the Eucharist that was removed from the original Catechetical Directory prior to its “approval”.
- Scrutinizing a Scrutiny: A critical look at the Neocatechumenal Way’s First Baptismal Convivence
- Is your Family your idol? – At the Neocatechumenal First Scrutiny, you will certainly be pressured to consider this possibility.
- Secrets of the Second Scrutiny Revealed, Part 1– an outline of the Neocatechumenal Second Scrutiny Convivence and the Rite of Admission to the Catechumenate.
- Secrets of the Second Scrutiny Revealed, Part 2 – a close look at the questionnaire members complete prior to the individual scrutiny.
- Secrets of the Second Scrutiny Revealed, Part 3 – take your seat in the “Chair of Mercy” and let’s get your individual scrutiny underway, shall we?
- Secrets of the Second Scrutiny Revealed, Part 4 – Savings accounts, retirement accounts, jewelry, heirlooms, titles to automobiles and land. All laid at the feet of the catechists…
- Secrets of the Second Scrutiny Revealed, Part 5 – The second scrutiny initiates a substantial revenue stream for the sect, and, as in any true sect or cult, anything that might dissuade others from joining, such as coerced donations and psychological abuse, must be kept strictly secret.
- Secrets of the Second Scrutiny Revealed, Part 6 – Kiko obligates members entering the Catechumenate to give a tenth of their earnings to the community.
The Traditio Symboli stage
- Kiko’s Mud, Part II
- Kiko’s Mud, Part III: Kerygma Bullying
- “I believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of evil…”
Rene Girard and the Neocatechumenal Way
- The Xiphias Gladius Project: Details about the team of Neocatechumenal academics teaching the thought of Rene Girard at Redemptoris Mater seminaries around the world.
- Contaminado! – A close look at the mission statement of the Xiphias Gladius project team.
- Covering His Tracks – A Neocatechumenal professor’s attempt to remove his outrageous writing from the internet doesn’t quite work out.
- A Neocatechumenal Seminary Professor’s View on Chamorro Prayers for the Dead
- An Academic Hack – a criticism of some work by a Neocatechumenal professor published in a peer-reviewed journal.
- Kiko’s Last Judgment – a critical look at Kiko’s teachings and iconography on the General (Last) Judgment
- Critiquing Kiko’s Kerygma – Why does Kiko’s kerygma seem to deliberately exclude the possibility of purgatory?
- A Neocatechumenal Seminary Professor’s View on Chamorro Prayers for the Dead
Kiko’s “New Aesthetic”
- Kiko’s Icons – It is common for painters of icons to copy the work of the great masters of the past, and Kiko Arguello is no exception…
- Kiko’s Curious Cripta di Sant’Ilario – Let’s take a look at how Kiko’s “New Aesthetic” is applied to a certain chapel in Rome. You’re in for a surprise…
- Coming to a Parish Near You! – Kiko’s Neo-Byzantine art and his curious “Buen Pastor” icon.
- Kiko Inc.: A Look at the Big Business of the “New Aesthetic” – The NCW’s cookie-cutter approach to liturgical aesthetics: does it have a deeper purpose?
- Kiko’s Songs
- Get your parish Kiko-fied!– Many of you are undoubtedly very eager to expedite the adoption of Kiko Arguello’s New Aesthetic into your parish’s church building. Bear with me, please, and let me suggest some steps you should take to accomplish this.
The Way in Asia
- Why “the Way” will Fail in Asia– The NCW says “disobedient bishops” are the cause of their problems in Japan…
- Half-baked Priests for Asia– We learn of a plan to reduce NCW seminary training to 5 years, with no formal seminary…
- Kiko tells us why he needs girls for China… – video with translation from Kiko Arguello in Naples, May 20, 2012.
Other Problems and Practices
- The Bloom is Off the Rose – A quantitative critique of the Neocatechumenal “numbers” using Google Trends
- Diaconate Candidates taught: Jesus “became a sinner”– Where on earth did this Neocatechumenal professor get this idea?!? And why is he allowed to teach it?
- Giuseppe’s Islands – Has the opaque Neocatechumenal Way avoided the temptations offered by the compromised banking infrastructure of the Turks and Caicos Islands?
- Nowhere. A call for post-baptismal catechesis free of the errors and problems endemic to the Neocatechumenal Way.
- This Spells Trouble – four big problems with a Neocatechumenal Seminarian’s testimony during Holy Mass.
- Dear Archbishop Cordileone – the Neocatechumenal Way seems to shuffle priests with troubling pasts around the world…
- A Church In Trouble – a critical look at some recent scandals in the Church on Guam.
- Kiko, are you listening? – Pope Francis has some strong warnings for certain leaders of Church movements.
- Kiko’s Fairy Tale – Is the Neocatechumenal Way constituted, in large part, by former “atheists and communists”?
- Trouble in Denmark – Like Guam, the Catholic faithful in Denmark are suffering from the devastation wrought by the Neocatechumenal Way.
- La Riqueza de la Familia Hernandez Barrera – Carmen Hernandez, the foundress of the Neocatechumenal Way, is a member of one of the wealthiest families in Spain.
- God Demands Nothing! – says Fr. Edwin “Pius” Sammut OCD, the lead Neocatechumenal Catechist for Guam.
- Kiko and the Twelve – on Mt. Sinai. Messianic pretensions?
- “Preaching That Alters the Gospels and Darkens and Saddens Life” – Kiko Arguello frequently twists and deforms the meaning the Sacred Scriptures in order to manipulate his followers and further his sectarian goals. Here is another example.
- Fr. Luis Camacho has been found! – a Neocatechumenal priest who was whisked away from Guam after being arrested on a secluded beach with his 17 year old altar girl has been found!
- Bishop Ballin’s Angry Reply – the Apostolic Vicar of the Apostolic Vicariate of Northern Arabia certainly does not like to be challenged regarding hiding a priest with a problem!
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70 thoughts on “A Critical Look at the Neocatechumenal Way”
Is it a testing ground for this Neocatechumenal at the Cathedral?
Is the Vatican/Pope aware of this Bishop’s behavior and attempts to change our Scripted Religion into a Cult like religion?
This one of the very few Sacred things..that mean soo much to the indigenous people here..that has been passed on from several generations now..and you want to change all that because you can?
Do you know our people?
yeah..I didn’t think you did..but hey..glad you found a new hobby Apuron..but the chamorru people? We just want to keep it as it is..
It is not a cult, please. Open your eyes.
Mr. Omokhua, I am sure that it is difficult for you to see since you are deeply enmeshed in the sect, but the Catholics on Guam are opening their eyes to the deeply sectarian nature of “the Way”. Please respond directly to specific criticisms you see here. Thank you.
They are very different, but they do a lot of good, and nobody is being forced to join.
Simon, people are joining without being told of the the terrible things that lie ahead. And leaving is made quite difficult for many.
You are exactly right in your reply here. And I want to talk to you more about this “phenomenon” of the Neocatechumenal Way in today’s Catholic Church.
The terrible things that lie ahead for many may not be intended maliciously by anyone in this group; yet, the collateral damage of these terrible things is very real thing for people like me.
I’ve been very familiar with “The Way” and Kiko for over 40 years now, and your observations on both of them ring so very true, and I’d like to talk to you more about it.
If you’re reading this, please don’t hesitate to reach out to me. Peace.
This Writer doesn’t know about the NCW and passed condemning
Judgements. You must be SATAN and very, very SINFUL to create misinformations
Satan? Now wouldn’t THAT be a condemning judgment?
What good do they do? Be specific. They are a cult as they impose thier own ideas on us and if we do not agree, we are excommunicated… whom are you trying to defend ?
I haven’t heard of anybody being excommunicated for disagreeing with them. Chased out of the particular parish? Yes, but not excommunicated.
yes Simon . It is. I was in it for 13 years maybe more. My life was kept so insanely occupied that there was no time ever for anything or anyone else …in other words you are slowly seperated from family and friends not in the NCW. This is typical cult behaviour. Manipulation, threats and fear are tools used to keep people within the confines of the group. You are made to feel and told often till you actually believe that you are ‘nothing but shit’ .The name of the game is EGO, emotions and feelings are played with in order to keep you in . I could give hundereds of examples personal and otherwise but I was in it and it is a cult and very dangerous,
What you said is totally true according to my experience with this “charism” over the last 40 years with my family. Please don’t hesitate to reach out to me if you read this 4 years later.
I have a lot to say about this group. And Kiko. And the whole cycle of unintended abuse that turned me off to this thing in the first place. – JMS
Hello Joshua, I was also born and raised inside The Way, I’m a young adult now and in the process of leaving my community. I would like to get in contact with you if that’s is okay.
I also grew up in the Way. I left at 18. I was kicked out of my home because I wouldn’t attend it anymore. Nearly all the youth from our community left at that time. It was right after second scrutiny.
I’m married to a person born and raised inside the way, and I’m starting to be desperate that person will ever leave the way… I’m looking for people to discuss this with, and understand what made you wish to leave eventually. Would you be open to discuss that? Thanks and no problem if you don’t wish to 🙂
Many people leave the way because they are scandalized by their sins, maybe because they can’t accept their reality.
In other words these people like you are hypocrites. Like me I accept that I am also a hypocrite but the difference is some people are blinded by their hypocrisy.
Thats why some people leave their house because of the problems in their house they dont want to face it haha.
Also they don’t give 10% of their salary haha, they even put it in a black bag which you cannot see, so poor people who cannot give money for the food they eat will not fee ashamed. Funny writer.
The way doesnt teach you to be a bad person, it shows you how bad of a person you are so that you will not be blinded of yourself and try to change slowly. If a formation helps you grow your faith would you call it a cult? No sense at all.
You’re judging, Jacob.
Very much in agreement. My so. and I have been in the way for a year now and so far, it’s beginning to annoy me frankly with constant talks about why it is important never miss out on any of their announcements, which lasts for 2 hours… sometimes three! I don’t mind them, but when things start to conflict with other priorities, then that’s where the problem starts. We had a catechumenal meeting to introduce new members and my son couldn’t go due to homework and sports. Practice often times finishes around 6pm and most of their meetings start at 7. We have a small number of members in the way, he’s been faithfully going to almost all of their meetings except for one, and the leader of the first community was there, and boy… did I get an earful of how it’s inexcusable to miss out. His co responsible was also there and she was not very understanding either. For she told me that it was the wrong kind of reason to miss the meeting and that he needed to try better and make time for the meeting and have better time management skills. I was so irritated! But kept my mouth shut about it and instead of arguing, I turned the other cheek. This is not the first time, but in many occasions, since joining the way, I noticed that there’s always an unexpected announcement or retreat that was planned the day before by the leader. I don’t understand way they do this! So unexpected! I dislike this and I do t think I’m happy being in it. I only wanted to learn about scripture and fellowship, it seems like once in the way… always!
You’re being trained, very slowly, to submit to them. Flee.
LOL!!! says the blind man
Oh yes it is…I was part of it for over 25 years
“Por sus frutos los conoceréis” Nos ha dicho el Señor. y gracias a la IGLESIA, y a través de este Camino concreto de FE, el CAMINO NEOCATECUMENAL, damos fe y testimoniamos de que el Señor ha obrado en nuestras vidas y ha hecho grandes cosas. Esto es lo más importante… Tantos dones y gracias recibidas … es más que suficiente para alabar, bendecir y dar gracias al Señor por su fidelidad, por su Misericordia, y su AMOR manifestado gratuitamente en cada uno de nosotros.. (FAMILIA VANEGAS CALDERÓN compuesta de 10 hijos y 40 años de Camino)
Santiago, estamos cosechando los frutos amargos del Camino Neocatecumenal aquí en Guam. Ver estas historias de un nuevo presbítero Neocatecumenal que fue encontrado realizando sexo oral a una niña en su parroquia.
La posibilidad de convertirnos y acoger su Palabra, el Señor nos lo concede a cada uno. Somos libres de responder y escoger el Camino del Bien, o el Camino del Mal, y cada uno de nosotros es el responsable absoluto de todas las acciones que cometamos, ante Dios y la Sociedad… Este pobre hermano no ha querido convertirse y ha caído en desgracia. Lamentable y repudiable por cierto la acción que cometió. Que Dios tenga misericordia y se apiade de este hermano. El SEÑOR es el único y soberano juez.
English translation: “…Indeed it is a regrettable and condemnable action that he has committed…”
It sounds like you are the one who is judging, Santiago! Why don’t you counter my arguments with facts?
I’ve been a forced member of this cult for 10 years. My parents became members since i was a baby. I grew around it and I’ve seen how they play with the lives of this people how they control their thoughts.
I’ve seen my family change specially my mother and sister, they have no friends and no life outside “the way” they are obsessed with “the way” in a very scary and irritating way. My mother even blackmails me into going. The weak minds get lost in “the way” they are twisted and they always gather and talk about Kiko, they truly put this man on pedestal.
All the marriages complain about their spouses they humiliate each other at the convivence I see how they suffer and how they still believe deeply that they’re each others crosses bound to make each other suffer to gain salvation because that’s what kiko teaches about your own Cross, another terrible misconception and lie.
Hello Lisa, Is there anything keeping you from leaving the sect?
Hi Chuck, my family is keeping me from leaving once I move out of my parents house I won’t get near them. I live in San Pedro sula, Homduras; it was considered the most dangerous city in the world, so it’s not very easy to just move out when you already have a very safe place to live, thank God. So as much as I despise the way I’m stuck there for some months, it won’t be too long.
I must add I don’t consider myself part of it. On my last convivence the leader of the community (it’s called a “responsable” in Spanish) called me out for not caring about it, using my phone and taking his peace away.
Sorry if I write too much, there’s a lot for me to say about it, I’ve seen and heard so much over this 10 years, the way hasn’t had it very easy in my church, a couple of priests don’t like it 2 of them told me that directly.
I’d love to answer any questions if any.
Yes, I would like to hear your story, and I will contact you via email. Thanks!
Hola Lisa, yo soy David. Soy de San Salvador y mi caso es muy parecido al tuyo. Mis padres me han obligado a ir al camino desde pequeno. Tengo 15 años y ahora me considero agnostico. El problema es que los catequistas de mis padres los tienen dominados mentalmente.
Translation: Hi Lisa, I’m David. I am from San Salvador and my case is very similar to yours. My parents forced me to go in the Way from the time I was small. I have 15 years and now consider myself agnostic. The problem is that catechists of my parents have dominated us mentally.
Yes,when I was a part of this along with my family, the community got kicked out of the church because the priests there didn’t like it. We had to find a different church to attend.
The catechists said we were being “persecuted”.
At age 12 when it happened, I remember thinking… no, the community isn’t being a part of the regular parish and it’s bugging people… including the priests! That’s why we’re getting kicked out. Geez! So embarrassing. And their willing ignorance of that fact even more so. Astonshing for me ’til this day.
I have left, and it was my choice. No body forced me to remain.
I left too and no one contacted me EVER once I finally left for good . This is part fo the mind control. You are made to be dependant on the ncw and are cut off from everything else in your previous life, so two things happen when you leave. 1. First you get tracked down and told how damned your life can be if you leave ….this was MY experience the first time ….I was told my kids would become gay!!! Among other things. I have also heard how another family who left were visited and the husband was offered a ‘better role’ in the community and told he ‘could go far’ if he stayed ! The second time when we left for good we were totally ignored no one called or cared or asked how we were or even why we left …maybe they knew one of my kids had been sexually abused by one of thier Priests and they decided to not chase us. It was just as hurtful we felt alone and depressed and couldnt understand why these people our so called ‘brothers and sisters’ who knew ALL our intimate secrets would close off from us. I have known people who have left but they have been strong enough to just walk away without any concern …..also these have mostly been single people …think about it the ncw wants to keep families not so much singles its a numbers thing….fodder for next gen of ncw!
I’m a single person. I left. Best decision of my life.
If you were a true Catholic Christian you would be silent and not be slandering and gossiping about others. When Jesus was lead by his own people (Jews) to his slaughter he never said a word.
It is clear that you feel superior over the people who walk in the Way and it is clear that the devil has also blinded you with the same attitudes the Jews had about Jesus.
Praying for you all to get in touch with Lord through reading his Gospels and other reading from the Bible.
You are quite wrong, Chris. Christians are not to be silent in the face of corruption and abuse. If they were, then the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. should have stayed home. Kiko deforms the Gospel in his teaching, “Do not resist evil”. Read more.
You’re projecting. It’s typical. Find peace.
Be very careful with this CULT. They do psychological tricks to make you their slave. You end up being controlled by this CULT. My parents fell for it and now belong to this CULT. The major problem here is that they go out very week door to door trying to get more people into this CULT. Be careful, these people are trained to worship the CULT and to spread the word.
I was in a relationship with a man -( a member of NCW) for 8 years, living together for 3 yrs. We got to know each other 17 years ago in London, while doing our studies. That time he was a regular catholic boy. But since he started to do cammino he has changed, I have seen all the mentioned above in his life- separating from friends, not having time for anything else only their meeting, separating from myself as I refused to join. We split up, his words were that he can not marry the love of his life because I wouldn’t do the cammino and join the community. I still get his messages how much he is in love with me and how painful it is not to be together any longer. God forbid any of my friends or mambers of my family ever have to make such a decision, cos it breaks you beyond repair!
Before I talk about Kiko’s cult, I’d like to introduce myself. I’m Clement Kim, I’m currently a forced member of the Neocathechumenal way, and I’m ashamed to say that my parents are proud members of this cult. Anyways, I’m gonna talk about this cult.
My parents have been members since I was about 5 or 7 years old, and they forced me to join in 2015. I’ve always known there was something wrong with the Neocathechumenal way after thinking it was a good organization almost all my life (my parents brainwashed me that time), and this website that I’m typing this on shows it all, and it makes a lot of sense. Now let me talk about what makes the Neocatechumenal way an obvious cult. I want to join another Catholic organization that I’ve looked into, but my cult-member parents would not allow me to join because they think it’s an “ultra conservative cult”, they would have long talks with me about the Catholic organization and try to lecture me into thinking it is bad, and whenever they do have those long talks, they always mention the Neocatechumenal way and tell me that the cult is better than the Catholic organization I want to join. The only thing I hear and see when my parents do that is them with a sly grin and giving me a “come here” hand gesture and saying “Come on, son, join the dark side, we’re not that bad, they are the bad ones, not the Neocatechumenal way”. Trust me, there is much more.
Every single meeting with the catechists (convivences, Eucharist celebrations, and more), we are given a Bible verse which is read to us by a microphone by catechist, itinerant, or a responsible, and then they tell us how we do not follow that verse and we are bad people, basically that’s when they try to put guilt in us, and make us feel like garbage, and they succeed at it, and often enough, they use that verse to remark Kiko and how he’s a good follower of that verse. It’s always very obvious to me that they are putting him on a high pedestal on those times, but the other members fall for it, and now they’re all saying that he is a prophet and that he and Carmen are gonna make it to Saint Hood! Not to mention, the members are always talking about Kiko and how much of a great man he is whenever they’re on breaks.
Also, after every one of those meetings, they pass bags around for people to put money in, and encourage us to put lots of money in it. I was forced by my parents to put money in the bag several times, and I’m upset that I was forced to donate to the cult. The catechist also once told us in these exact words “If you put little money in the bag for food on the way home or something–your food is gonna taste like crap, just put lots of money in and get something cheap on the way like a Hot Dog or something because you know what? It’s gonna be the best hot dog you’ve ever tasted in your life because you know that the hot dog was given to you by God”.
I wish my parents would just stop sucking in lies from the Neocatechumenal way. The scary thing about this cult was how they trained the minds of my parents that if they left the Neocatechumenal way, then they might as well go to hell, because they feel like they left their only path to Heaven. Do you see how this cult is very clever at getting people to stay? For God’s sake my parents think they might as well go to hell if they leave now! If that’s not cult-like, then I don’t know what it is. Kiko Argüello is a born cult leader, just like Sun Myung Moon, the founder of the Unification Church, or “Moonie” Church.
All I can say to my parents is that I hope they wake up, and know that they’ve been lied to, and I don’t like seeing my parents being lied to. All I know is that once I’m out of my parents’ house, I’m leaving the Neocatechumenal way, because I’m pretty tired of being in a cult. May God have mercy on Kiko Argüello, and also on his puppet teachers.
This is deeply unsettling. Over a third of young men in formation in my archdiocese mention the Neocatechuminal Way or Redemptoris Mater in their bios. These are the next leaders of the Church – I sincerely hope the divisive language and prescriptions for worship/salvation I read here don’t find their way into the greater Church. More engagement within the community is great, more study of scripture and catechism would be wonderful, but there shouldn’t be hidden (and framed as superior) “truths” available to a select few. From what I understand, this smacks of Calvinism, to be totally honest.
What is the relationship between Kiko and Carmen.
Kiko Arguello and Carmen Hernandez founded a movement within the Catholic Church called the Neocatechumenal Way in the sixties. This movement is now a “sect” within the Church, and has its own doctrine and leadership hierarchy.
Carmen and Kiko never married and to my knowledge, never had a romantic relationship with each other. A strong cult of personality surrounds Kiko Arguello. Most members of the sect consider him to be a living saint and prophet. Only his art and music are allowed in the sect’s worship and liturgy.
Carmen died last year, and despite the sect’s tradition of discouraging prayer for miracles, the sect is trying its utmost to get Carmen canonized or declared a saint by the Catholic Church. This would require at least two bona fide miracles attributed to her intercession.
Whoever is in the Neocathechumenal way, LEAVE NOW. This is not the “Way” and they have no right to call themselves it. It is nothing but a cult. If you’ve seen what I, other members, and members of the clergy have been talking about, you’ll see. After waking up, I’ve seen how much of a robot I’ve been.
The Way changed my life for the better and going for the best. I was not forced to join the community nor am I being controlled by it. It has good intentions just like any other well-meaning church institutions. Who composes all these institutions are sometimes the ones who, because of being mere humans, cause the institutions all the wrong impressions and negativities thrown their way. But, not surprising, since the devil can use anybody at all cost to block the road to the Lord. In my case, The Way serves me well and strongly leads me to God. It’s all that matters. 🙂
Actually, Elsie, that not all that matters. The truth matters, and the Way distorts the truth quite often. And while you’ll probably reply that they Way is approved by the Popes, please know that the Holy See has only approved the Statute of the Way, not each and every teaching.
Yes, Chuck. Well said.
Hello, I simply want to say thanks for the post. I’m not one to comment that regularly but continue the great work and many thanks for the great article.
The neocatecnumenal way destroyed my childhood parish plain and simple. It is a vicious beast that victimized and brainwashed it’s members, most of whom are vulnerable & prone to be sucked into this cult. It preys on people’s weak points & aggrandizes that fascist madman Kokomo Aguilera to the point beyond hero worship. If this thing tries to get it’s tentacles into you, run…don’t walk away…from it & thank God for letting you get away from it’s pernicious, twisted, mind controlling influence. More on this at a future time.
Yep yep yes!!! It’s horrendous. Please email me for discussions
Thank you for this website. I grew up in the NCW and was involved in some capacity or another for 30+ years. My parents are longtime catechists and I’ve seen the relationship between them and my siblings deteriorate as they choose the NCW community over family every time, espousing the language of blind obedience as true faith and silencing any criticism. This has only gotten worse during Covid when catechists have gone around diocesan protocols, meeting in secret, even in groups well into the hundreds, telling members to not speak up if they get sick, and strong arming members into not getting vaccinated. I have family on mission around the world and I know that so many struggle with the idea of leaving when they’ve given up their entire livelihoods for this “new evangelization.” Every one of your articles is on the nose about the culture of secrecy and brainwashing (and tbh, I find Kiko’s aesthetic nauseatingly juvenile). I only hope that those struggling with the decision to leave come across these pages and recognize their choice is valid and true. Contrary to how the NCW twists the Gospel, it does not mean you have left the Catholic Church or condemned yourself to Hell.
I WISH I can leave but until I am in my parents house I cannot. I am still not of age to leave. It is a very manipulative group and caused me to go into a deep depression and contemplate ending my life multiple times. I cannot wait for an opportunity to leave
No one in the NCW forces anyone to be here, you are free to do what ever you want. This isn’t a cult, it’s a way of living a Christian life if you think other wise then leave. Like I said no one can force anyone to stay not even your parents. Just know God loves you the way you are.
I live in the UK, Scotland to be accurate. I got involved with the NCW, via my mother who had been a member since they first arrived in our city. I won’t go into details, take too long. All I can now say is absolute crap. Spend some time do critical research then decide
Better watch this. This is pope francis. Maybe he is a cult member too?
Jacob, f you think papal approval extends to everything Kiko says and does, you are sadly mistaken.
If u r trying to leave or want too connec with others about the experiense of getting out.
John Paul II
Supported the way.
Five dicasteries scrutinize the cathequesis
120 Redemptoris Mater seminaris
Thousands of families rebuilt .
Chamorros don’t stifle the Holy Spirit
Don’t be incredulous
If you believe that papal approval extends to everything Kiko says and does, you are sadly mistaken. It does not, for example, apply to his consistent practice of eisegesis. See https://thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=44881 for examples.
I was born and raised in the NCW. Left at 19 although I never wanted to join a community in the first place. I would sometimes cry when my parents forced me to go and the only thing that made me happy there were my friends. Till this day I don’t know how my parents were OK with me not going anymore even when still living with them. It was hard though. I missed the friends I had there, we knew each other since we were born and joined the same community, so we were together all the time. Some of them left around that time too. I think the second scrutiny makes a lot of people leave. From my experience people’s reaction when someone leaves is to pray for them in the Eucharist and regularly call them saying they miss seeing them there.
Only after talking with my now boyfriend about it I started looking at the way with different eyes. I never wanted to be there, mostly because I never believed in god, but I never thought about it as bad. I always felt like it made sense to create small groups of people so you could be able to share and know each other better than in the Sunday masses. I would say some of the things I find wrong about it are:
– It consumes a lot of people’s time. Especially if you have a position there like catechist or a responsible. We had to go one day of the week, and Saturday, and then there were days we had to prepare the ceremonies (which if you have a small community is very often) and then last Sunday of the month we had a day together, and sometimes we had to get together for the weekend.
– As an introvert I always hated how you were forced to talk. At 13 you had to talk about what god was to you, what were your idols, etc etc. Most of us were there because our parents made us go, and we were so young. I remember saying school was my idol because sometimes I would prefer to say at home studying instead of going and leaving it in the hands of God lol.
– I can only talk about the second scrutiny because that’s how far I went but you have to talk about a lot of personal stuff with everyone around you. And I hated it so much. I wish I could go back in time and just say I was there forced instead of sharing so much stuff I didn’t want to. It’s also annoying the secrecy around what each scrutiny is.
– I remember talking to my cousin, who attended Sunday masses and youth groups, about the NCW and she said that from the few catechesis she attended she felt like we were very negative. And were very focused on sin and ego. She never felt that in the church.
– Although there were never forced marriages they would sometimes talk about how important it was to be with someone within the church, preferably in the way. Because that would make things easier. Because someone outside might not understand why you spend so much time there, and used to say that people usually leave when one of the partners is not from the way.
This is a loong post, but I wanted to share my experience since I don’t see many people talking about this group.
I have a very close friend that was born and raised in the NCW. His life has been consumed by it and it is very obvious that he has been struggling and something has been off with him. He forces himself to believe that the way is not the source of his problem because he is brainwashed and forced to think it isn’t. Me along with other friends of him have tried to talk to him and help him leave this cult, but he believes that there is no way he can leave and his parents force him to go. He is also brainwashed to believe that it is the way and we don’t know what we’re talking about. Can someone help me and give me advice on how to help him?